{"id":6151,"date":"2018-02-24T09:19:48","date_gmt":"2018-02-24T08:19:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/?p=6151"},"modified":"2018-02-24T09:19:48","modified_gmt":"2018-02-24T08:19:48","slug":"de-lesperanto-manie-en-general-episode-6","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ecolo.ovh\/index.php\/2018\/02\/24\/de-lesperanto-manie-en-general-episode-6\/","title":{"rendered":"De l\u2019esp\u00e9ranto-manie en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral. \u00c9pisode 6."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>En \u00e9t\u00e9 (<strong><em>somere<\/em><\/strong>) <strong><em>arboj<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>havas<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>foliojn<\/em><\/strong>(ont des feuilles) <strong><em>por<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>protekti<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>sin<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>kontra\u00f9<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>suno<\/em><\/strong>(pour se prot\u00e9ger du soleil). Aujourd\u2019hui, comme c\u2019est l\u2019hiver, les arbres sont en bois. Aussi va-t-on en parler\u00a0: on ne devrait jamais s\u2019\u00e9loigner de son arbre.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>En <\/em><\/strong><strong><em>tradicia<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>\u0109ina<\/em><\/strong><strong><em> lingvo <\/em><\/strong><strong>:<\/strong> \u6a39 <strong><em>estas<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>arbo<\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<table>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/files\/2018\/02\/grand-arbre.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-6160 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/files\/2018\/02\/grand-arbre.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"193\" height=\"118\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">\u6a39 <strong><em>estas<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>granda<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>arbo<\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*<a href=\"https:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/files\/2018\/02\/petit-arbre.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-6162\" src=\"https:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/files\/2018\/02\/petit-arbre.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"82\" height=\"90\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u6a39 <strong><em>estas<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>malgranda<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>arbo<\/em><\/strong>.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><strong><em>Por<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>skribi<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>sequoia<\/em><\/strong><em>, <strong>mi<\/strong> <strong>ne<\/strong> <strong>havas<\/strong> <\/em><strong><em>sufi\u0109e<\/em><\/strong><em> <strong>da<\/strong> <\/em><strong><em>loko<\/em><\/strong> (Pour \u00e9crire s\u00e9quoia, j\u2019ai pasassez de place, c\u2019est quoi s\u00e9quoia ?) etpour bonzai, j\u2019ai pas de microscope. En esperanto, on utilise des suffixes bien plus pratiques et, \u00e7a, c\u2019est bien vu\u00a0: pour \u00ab\u00a0grand arbre\u00a0\u00bb on ajoute \u00ab\u00a0<strong><em>eg<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong>, ce qui donne <strong><em>arb<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>eg<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>o<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0;<\/strong> \u00ab\u00a0petit arbre\u00a0\u00bb ce sera le \u00ab\u00a0et\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0 d\u2019o\u00f9 <strong><em>arbeto<\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Pour dire un \u00ab\u00a0bosquet\u00a0\u00bb on peut \u00e9crire (je vous laisse le dire) \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39,et encore je l\u2019ai choisi tout petit, le bosquet. Quant \u00e0 dire \u00ab\u00a0for\u00eat\u00a0\u00bb, \u00e7a va \u00eatre chaud, je commence \u00e0 \u00e9crire\u00a0: \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39\u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39\u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39 \u6a39. Et encore je me suis arr\u00eat\u00e9 au tout d\u00e9but du commencement de l\u2019or\u00e9e de la for\u00eat. Pas pratique\u2026<\/p>\n<p>En esperanto, c\u2019est plus simple : on traduit \u00ab\u00a0<strong><em>arbaro<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0<strong><em>ar<\/em>\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong> est un suffixe qui indique un ensemble de choses. Exercice, niveau mat sup (maternelle sup\u00e9rieure, c\u2019est connu, mais j\u2019ai pas pu r\u00e9sister)\u00a0: sachant que<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Bovo<\/em><\/strong><strong><em> estas \u00ab\u00a0b\u0153uf\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/strong> (masculin), un troupeau de b\u0153ufs (masculins) se dit \u2026\u2026\u2026<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Elefanto <\/em><\/strong><strong><em>estas<\/em><\/strong><em> \u00ab\u00a0<strong>\u00e9l\u00e9phant<\/strong><\/em><strong>\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong>, un ensemble d\u2019\u00e9l\u00e9phants se dit \u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Vagono <\/em><\/strong><strong><em>estas<\/em><\/strong><em> <strong>\u00ab\u00a0wagon\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong><\/em>, un ensemble de wagons (donc un train) se dit \u2026\u2026..<\/p>\n<p><strong>Si on ajoute le suffixe \u00ab\u00a0<em>in<\/em>\u00a0\u00bb on a le f\u00e9minin<\/strong>\u00a0:<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Bovo<\/em><\/strong>donne <strong><em>bovino<\/em><\/strong>et <strong><em>bovinaro<\/em><\/strong>, le troupeau, tandis que l\u2019\u00e9l\u00e9phante sera la <strong><em>\u00ab\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>elefantino<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong>, et <strong><em>\u00ab\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>elefantinaro<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong> le troupeau (l\u00e0, on parle de troupeaux f\u00e9minins).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/files\/2018\/02\/troupeau.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-6163 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/files\/2018\/02\/troupeau.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"154\" height=\"103\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>En parlant de troupeaux f\u00e9minins, nous retrouvons <strong><em>\u00ab\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>arbino\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/strong>il existe des arbres masculins et f\u00e9minins) et <strong><em>\u00ab\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>arbarino\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/strong>(il existe des arbres masculins et f\u00e9minins) pour exprimer for\u00eat.<\/p>\n<p>Pour le <strong><em>vagono<\/em><\/strong>c\u2019est genre masculin, mais une chose peut-elle avoir un genre\u00a0? Pourquoi une chaise et pas un chaise, un cahier et pas une cahier ? <strong><em>Tiu<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>estas<\/em><\/strong><em> <strong>la<\/strong> <\/em><strong><em>demando<\/em><\/strong>(Thatisthequestion en <strong><em>la<\/em> <em>angla<\/em><\/strong>)&#8230; Le fondateur de l\u2019esp\u00e9ranto, le docteur Zamenhof, est parti du masculin ce qui \u00e9tait normal au XIX<sup>\u00e8me<\/sup> si\u00e8cle. Donc on dit par exemple <strong>domo<\/strong> (maison) et non <strong><em>\u00ab\u00a0domin<\/em><\/strong><em>o\u00a0\u00bb<\/em>, <strong><em>fenestro<\/em><\/strong>(fen\u00eatre) et pas <strong><em>\u00ab\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>fenestr<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>in<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>o\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/strong>, <strong><em>\u015duo<\/em><\/strong>(chaussure) et non pas \u00ab\u00a0<strong><em>\u015du<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>in<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>o\u00a0\u00bb<\/em><\/strong>&#8230; Je sais, je l\u2019ai dit, mais c\u2019est pour expliquer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mais revenons aux arbres, je sens que \u00e7a vous branche\u00a0!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>En fait, si on approfondit la question, il n\u2019y a que deux sortes d\u2019arbre\u00a0: l\u2019h\u00eatre et le non h\u00eatre (h\u00eatre c\u2019est <strong><em>fago<\/em><\/strong>du latin <em>fagus<\/em>). <strong><em>Mi<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>tradukas<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0:<\/strong> <strong><em>la<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>fago<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>kaj<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>la<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>malfago<\/em><\/strong>. Un seul h\u00eatre vous manque et tout est des peupliers: <strong><em>unu<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>sola<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>fago<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>mankas<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>al<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>vi<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>kaj<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>\u0109io<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>estas<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>poplo<\/em><\/strong>. Ce genre de dr\u00f4lerie ne vaut que par des similitudes entre des mots divers en fran\u00e7ais. En toute autre langue, on se plante s\u00e9v\u00e8re.<\/p>\n<p>A propos d\u2019h\u00eatre, Shakespeare fait dire \u00e0 Hamlet <strong><em>\u00ab\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>esti<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>a\u016d<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>mal<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>esti<\/em><\/strong>, <strong><em>tio<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>estas<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>la<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>demando<\/em><\/strong><strong>\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0: <\/strong>je rappelle que le pr\u00e9fixe <strong>\u00ab\u00a0mal-\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong> signifie le contraire du mot qui suit, donc on traduit \u00ab\u00a0\u00eatre ou le contraire d\u2019\u00eatre\u00a0\u00bb. Shakespeare entend par \u00ab\u00a0\u00eatre\u00a0\u00bb : exister. Rempla\u00e7ons alors le mot \u00ab\u00a0\u00eatre\u00a0\u00bb par \u00ab\u00a0exister\u00a0\u00bb. Mais on aurait pu dire <strong>\u00ab\u00a0<\/strong><strong>esti<\/strong><strong> a\u016d ne <\/strong><strong>esti<\/strong><strong>\u00a0\u00bb<\/strong>\u00a0: on est toujours dans l\u2019\u00eatre (pas dans le para\u00eetre). Vous y \u00eates\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/files\/2018\/02\/hamlet.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-6161 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/coop.eelv.fr\/files\/2018\/02\/hamlet.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"189\" height=\"142\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Ankora\u016d<\/em><\/strong><strong> <em>unu<\/em> <em>ekzer<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>ce<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>to<\/em><\/strong> (petit exercice). <strong><em>Vi<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>ne<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>tiel<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>eliros<\/em><\/strong> (vous ne vous en sortirez pas comme \u00e7a)\u00a0!<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Oni donas al mi 2 <\/em><\/strong><strong><em>poplojn<\/em><\/strong>(On me donne 2 peupliers), <strong><em>ankora\u016d<\/em><\/strong>(encore) <strong><em>2<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>kverkojn<\/em><\/strong>(2 ch\u00eanes), <strong><em>poste<\/em><\/strong><em> <strong>2<\/strong> <\/em><strong><em>pinojn<\/em><\/strong>(et apr\u00e8s 2 pins). <strong><em>Kiom<\/em><\/strong> (combien) <strong><em>da<\/em> <\/strong><strong><em>arboj<\/em><\/strong><strong> <em>mi<\/em> <em>havas<\/em> ? <em>Mi<\/em> <\/strong><strong><em>respondas<\/em><\/strong><strong> <em>7 <\/em><\/strong><strong><em>arbojn<\/em><\/strong><strong>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Kial<\/em><\/strong>(pourquoi)\u00a0<strong><em>?<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>\u0108ar<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>mi<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>havas<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>jam<\/em><\/strong>(d\u00e9j\u00e0) <strong><em>unu<\/em><\/strong><strong><em>plorsalikon<\/em><\/strong> (saule pleureur = <strong><em>plor<\/em><\/strong>\/ <strong><em>saliko<\/em><\/strong>\/ <strong><em>n<\/em><\/strong>) <strong><em>hejme<\/em><\/strong>(\u00e0 la maison). <strong><em>La<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>plorsaliko<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>ploras<\/em><\/strong><em> <strong>\u0109ar<\/strong><\/em>, il se sent si saule.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Plus simple<\/strong>\u00a0: Toto rentre \u00e0 la maison apr\u00e8s sa premi\u00e8re journ\u00e9e \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9cole primaire.<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8211; <em>Panjo<\/em>\u00a0:<\/strong> [maman\u00a0: <strong><em>patro<\/em><\/strong> = p\u00e8re + <strong><em>ino<\/em><\/strong> (marque du f\u00e9minin) + <strong><em>njo<\/em><\/strong> (terme affectif pour faire maman). On raccourcit tout \u00e7a et \u00e7a donne <strong><em>panjo<\/em>. <\/strong>Pour p\u00e8re <strong><em>cjo<\/em><\/strong> remplace le <strong><em>njo<\/em><\/strong>, ce qui donne <strong><em>pacjo<\/em><\/strong>, donc papa] <strong><em>Jen<\/em><\/strong> (alors) <strong><em>Toto<\/em><\/strong>, <strong><em>\u0109u<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>vi<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>lernis<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>multe<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>da<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>aferoj<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>hodia\u016d\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><strong>?<\/strong> (est ce que tu as appris beaucoup de choses aujourd&rsquo;hui ?)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong><em>Toto<\/em>\u00a0:<\/strong> <strong><em>Ne<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>sufi\u0109e<\/em><\/strong>, <strong><em>ili<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>volas<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>ke<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>mi<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>reiros<\/em><\/strong> <strong><em>morga\u016d<\/em><\/strong> (Pas assez, ils veulent que j&rsquo;y retourne demain).<\/p>\n<p>L&rsquo;esp\u00e9ranto permet d&rsquo;\u00e9tablir un pont neutre entre cultures. Il a aussi une capacit\u00e9 d\u2019expression tr\u00e8s importante. Chaque langue a ses caract\u00e9ristiques, l\u2019esp\u00e9ranto comme les autres. Toutes doivent \u00eatre pr\u00e9serv\u00e9es et aucune ne devrait devenir si h\u00e9g\u00e9monique au point d\u2019\u00e9teindre les autres. Suivez mon regard\u2026 <strong><em>\u011cis<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>PS\u00a0:<\/strong> 21 f\u00e9vrier a eu lieu la <strong><em>Journ\u00e9e mondiale de la Langue maternelle<\/em><\/strong>. On estime \u00e0 1\u00a0000 le nombre de personnes dans le monde qui ont l\u2019esperanto comme langue maternelle. J\u2019en connais deux et ils habitent en PACA. Ils ont tous deux des parents de nationalit\u00e9 diff\u00e9rente, avec des langues maternelles diff\u00e9rentes. Aussi communiquent-ils entre eux en esperanto\u00a0!. De ce fait leurs rejetons ont l\u2019esperanto en langue maternelle\u00a0!<\/p>\n<p>Marc Gallardo<\/p>\n<p>Coop\u00e9rateur EELV<\/p>\n<p>PACA<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>En \u00e9t\u00e9 (somere) arboj havas foliojn(ont des feuilles) por protekti sin kontra\u00f9 suno(pour se prot\u00e9ger du soleil). Aujourd\u2019hui, comme c\u2019est l\u2019hiver, les arbres sont en bois. Aussi va-t-on en parler\u00a0: on ne devrait jamais s\u2019\u00e9loigner de son arbre. En tradicia \u0109ina lingvo : \u6a39 estas arbo. \u6a39 estas granda arbo. * \u6a39 estas malgranda arbo. 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